And the same surely applies to "escapes" which could be regarded as
pre-ferals!
Martin
Martin Butterfield
http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/
On 21 September 2014 08:54, Dave Torr <> wrote:
> Quite agree - if people don't record ferals (and I know some people don't)
> we will never know if they are spreading or declining.
>
> On 20 September 2014 16:02, John Tongue <> wrote:
>
> > I don't think anyone is saying not to record their presence, just whether
> > or not to be able to "tick" them on a personal list.
> >
> > People keep all sorts of records, and for all sorts of reasons, :)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > John Tongue
> > Devonport, Tas.
> >
> >
> > On 20/09/2014, at 10:26 AM, "Philip Veerman" <>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Well done to James to research and provide the information. If all
> > people had considered it "not tickable" and considered that was an
> > important criterion for keeping records until a certain period of time
> (or
> > generations), then if adhered to, presumably there will be no records of
> it
> > until after that time. Thus we probably would not have a start date from
> > which to measure. This would be from "tickers" deciding not to keep
> records
> > due to some weird logic of "non tickability". Logically that could
> > infinitely extend a non-decision. The information James sent has
> indicated
> > that fortunately not everyone goes by such arbitrary thoughts. I go by:
> if
> > something is there it is there, if not it is not and records should
> reflect
> > that. If something is introduced to a place and does not survive long
> term
> > then it was still there. Nonsense about "not tickable" removes
> information.
> > Beyond that, I wonder are Indian Peafowl any more interesting on French
> > Island than anywhere else, to want to go there for them, compared to
> other
> > reasons to go there or other easier places to see them and why care what
> > "tickable" rules anyone else uses. If the species has ecological impacts,
> > surely that is the aspect of far greater importance than whether its
> > existence goes on personal tick lists.
> > >
> > > Philip
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Birding-Aus On
> > Behalf Of John Tongue
> > > Sent: Saturday, 20 September 2014 8:56 AM
> > > To: Dave Torr
> > > Cc:
> > > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] French Island Report – Indian Peafowl
> > >
> > >
> > > I can't recall what the figures are, now, but I'm sure I've heard it as
> > "So many years, OR so many generations"
> > >
> > > Either way, come to Tassie. We've got tick-able Peafowl…. ;)
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > John Tongue
> > > Devonport, Tas.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 20/09/2014, at 8:16 AM, Dave Torr <> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Interesting report James. I have seen a "10 year period" mentioned
> > >> before when considering whether or not birds are "tickable" and I
> > >> wonder what the basis for this is - for some small birds this could
> > >> represent 10 generations I guess, whereas for an Ostrich it might be
> > >> barely 3 generations. I would personally have thought that 3
> > >> generations is a reasonable proof of being wild, but this means the
> > >> criteria would change according to species?
> > >>
> > >> <>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> Fueled by that piece of information I shot off a couple of emails to
> > >>> other Victorian birders who shared the common belief that it is
> > >>> actually quite probable, but further proof of the ten year wild
> > >>> status and self-sustainment policy was required.
> > >
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