00:00:00 --- log: started haskell/02.01.31 00:28:41 eek, it's 8:30 00:37:50 have you been awake all night? 00:43:55 nope 00:50:29 --- join: Yurik (~yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) joined #haskell 00:50:45 Heffalump: got lots of sleep last night? 00:50:47 hi 00:50:50 hi Yurik! 00:51:01 shapr hi 00:51:25 what's up Yurik? 00:51:48 shapr fine, thanks :-) 00:51:53 shapr: fair bit. Need to go to work 00:51:54 dennisb are you here? :-) 00:52:17 * shapr dances happily around #haskell 00:53:00 shapr: did you get GHC to build with --enable-hopengl, btw? 00:53:20 nah, I got distracted by paying work. :( 00:55:21 hmm. what Debian package provides the openGL headers/libraries? 01:36:30 er 01:36:32 I dunno 01:36:51 * shapr looks 01:37:06 hey guys 01:37:19 hi jewel! nice to see you! 01:37:44 and vice versa 01:38:02 * Heffalump tries xlibmesa-dev 01:38:23 Heffalump: in the case of python-opengl, it depends on glutg3 and libgl1 01:39:32 right, and glutg3-dev then 01:40:04 * Heffalump starts the GHC build again 01:40:06 yah, I think so 01:40:08 yay! 01:40:22 (lets see what happens this time...seeing as I don't have greencard yet) 01:40:36 if you successfully build ghc with OpenGL on debian, I'll be very happy :) 01:40:57 jewel: what's up? 02:27:22 hi 02:27:39 CGI + HaXML working 02:27:47 i`m happy :) 02:27:59 what are you using it for? 02:28:08 GHC for win XP 02:28:12 apache 02:28:57 without hmake :\ 02:29:06 * xbill ews at bloze 02:31:46 hmake isn't really necessary 02:31:53 * Heffalump finds ghc -M is fine 02:38:11 guys, there at #eas we have a discussion what will be better to use - Erlang or Haskell. And I want you to comment some issues. For example, using Haskell in real-time non-stop systems. What can you say, dudes? :-) 02:43:15 * Heffalump doesn't know anything about Erland 02:43:20 s/d$/g/ 02:43:55 but what can you say about Haskell - is it mature enough to use in non-stop and softrealtime systems? 02:44:36 erlang is designed for that kind of system where you can swap in and out code in a runing distributed system 02:44:48 softrealtime? 02:45:00 er, soft-realtime :-) 02:45:05 what is that? 02:45:14 the main usage is ericssons telecom-switches, where they do just these things 02:45:33 I doubt Haskell would be ideal for realtime stuff, given that it's garbage collected 02:45:55 and AFAIK you can't swap code in and out while a program is running 02:46:30 in erlang you can do things like that (i've not tried it, but it's supposed to work) 02:46:41 of course you need some sort of protocoll 02:46:44 * Yurik have tried Erlang recently 02:47:00 I'd like to see some kind of reflection in Haskell 03:48:36 * shapr boings 04:03:34 Yurik: upgrading running software does sound more like Erlang 04:03:34 erlang lacks of native code compiling and requires supplying erland runtime with software... :-( 04:03:34 yup, that's true 04:03:34 also lacks of lazy evaluation :-( 04:03:34 that's also true 04:03:34 Heffalump: how would reflection work in Haskell? 04:03:34 shapr: not quite sure, but it'd need some kind of dynamic type inspection framework 04:03:34 Yurik: Erlang has lots more libraries, and corporate support/usage 04:03:34 Haskell is far more 'pure' imho 04:03:35 * shapr shirks 04:03:35 cuelebre: do you have some simple demo code that shows CGI + HaXML working together? 04:03:35 * xbill peeks 04:03:35 * shapr pokes 04:03:35 * shapr gets out his C64 again 04:03:35 no 04:03:35 ok 04:03:35 shapr , there are a lot of errors 04:03:35 call to undefinied functios 04:03:35 ... 04:03:35 sounds rough 04:04:16 ah 04:04:17 demo code 04:05:00 i made a change in CGILib 04:05:28 declaring a new constructor in HTML 04:05:58 to put a HaXml parsed plain text 04:06:35 sorry (bad english), im spanish 04:06:38 look mfor emilio labra 04:06:51 has a lot of papers 04:07:26 finally, we have decided to use Erlang... pity 04:09:12 Did Labra do LPS? 04:15:21 xbill: yah, looks like it 04:15:27 http://lsi.uniovi.es/~labra/ 04:20:05 mi teacher 04:20:06 thnaks 04:20:09 :)) 04:20:16 thanks 04:21:02 cool 04:21:13 I've played around a little with LPS 04:22:02 whaddya think? 04:26:27 not entirely straightforward to use 04:26:42 * shapr tries to build LPS with ghc5.02 04:27:06 will likely require quite a bit of hacking 04:27:51 yah, looks like it 04:29:30 it took some hacking to get it going with ghc4 I think 05:02:05 * Logan yawns. 06:53:14 * shapr hmmmms 06:53:23 foldl ((\a b -> (a,b))) 1 [2..4] 06:53:25 what's wrong with that? 06:53:55 let tupla = (\a b -> (a,b)) 06:53:56 foldl (tupla) 1 [2..4] 06:53:58 that one should work, right? 07:24:16 --- quit: shapr ("later on") 07:52:32 Hahaha, there's a wireless LAN in this classroom. 07:52:44 I'm going to have perfect attendance in this class. 08:53:45 --- quit: clog (^C) 08:53:45 --- log: stopped haskell/02.01.31 08:55:48 --- log: started haskell/02.01.31 08:55:48 --- join: clog (nef@bespin.org) joined #haskell 08:55:48 --- topic: 'Have a library you'd like to donate, or one you'd like to see? Talk to us at http://sf.net/projects/haskell-libs/ | we be loggin' http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/haskell/ | welcome to the Haskell Dojo | julien is up to white belt! jewel and shapr are up to green belt!' 08:55:48 --- topic: set by shapr on [Wed Jan 30 14:36:17 2002] 08:55:48 --- names: list (clog Yurik xbill dennisb juhp yusri jewel pHa Igloo Heffalump smkl cuelebre jlb Logan) 08:57:19 shapr: no, it can't be given a type 08:58:08 He's not here. 09:00:21 oh, he left, doh 09:19:34 --- quit: Yurik (Remote closed the connection) 10:06:22 --- join: Yurik (~yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) joined #haskell 10:43:57 --- quit: Yurik (Remote closed the connection) 13:04:10 --- quit: pHa ("whee.") 14:53:18 --- join: discobob (discobob@slc597.modem.xmission.com) joined #haskell 15:00:50 I wonder if I could come up with a thesis idea in the area of functional programming. 15:05:06 Logan: "Measurements of the sharpness of the barbed wire with which one functionally programs along with bananas, lenses, and envelopes" 15:05:27 xbill: Was that your thesis? 15:06:56 Logan: nope 15:23:41 --- join: mephistopheles (~teufel@pD9002394.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #haskell 15:23:43 hi.. 15:24:00 question...has anyone in here ever heard of the specification language 'pi'?? 15:24:45 not I 15:24:54 hmmm.thanks for answering though :) 15:29:49 --- part: mephistopheles left #haskell 15:31:02 * discobob is away: bathtime 15:44:48 * discobob is back (gone 00:13:45) 17:04:17 --- join: zorb (a@ppp-208-188-40-115.dialup.eulstx.swbell.net) joined #haskell 17:14:49 --- join: shapr (~user@p-c2fbab34.easy.inet.fi) joined #haskell 17:19:36 * xbill sighs. 17:19:53 hmm 17:20:17 * shapr blinks confusedly 17:21:29 * zorb continues playing boggle. 17:21:35 * xbill continues hacking the kernel. 17:22:00 * shapr whips up a major-mode for Joy 17:23:09 generic-x.el is cool 17:25:13 oh, I just thought of something. I noticed last time i looked something about a smtplib on sf.net/projects/haskell-libs 17:25:29 did somebody take that up or was that a proposal? 17:25:41 it's a proposal 17:25:43 wanna try it? 17:26:10 sure. not today but maybe this weekend. 17:26:17 sure, no hurry :) 17:51:43 --- quit: zorb ("Leaving") 18:18:14 --- quit: juhp (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:08:24 --- join: lesner (~lesner@HSE-Toronto-ppp214536.sympatico.ca) joined #haskell 20:16:23 I'm struggling trying to understand the PNMparseer from the fudgets toolkit.... anyone here understand monads vs. continuation passing. Specifically what I don't get is how the $> $$ and ap operators work.The self contained file all my questions refer to is at 20:16:28 http://lesner.dyndns.org/~lesner/hs/pnm/PNMparser.hs 20:17:13 s/passing/passing?/ ! that was meant ot be a question! 20:47:20 --- quit: discobob (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:47:20 --- quit: lesner (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:18:38 --- join: lesner (~lesner@HSE-Toronto-ppp214536.sympatico.ca) joined #haskell 21:29:51 --- join: pHa (sjh@Riverview32.tbaytel.net) joined #haskell 23:18:39 --- quit: lesner (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23:46:06 --- quit: clog (^C) 23:46:06 --- log: stopped haskell/02.01.31 23:46:35 --- log: started haskell/02.01.31 23:46:35 --- join: clog (nef@bespin.org) joined #haskell 23:46:35 --- topic: 'Have a library you'd like to donate, or one you'd like to see? Talk to us at http://sf.net/projects/haskell-libs/ | we be loggin' http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/haskell/ | welcome to the Haskell Dojo | julien is up to white belt! jewel and shapr are up to green belt!' 23:46:35 --- topic: set by shapr on [Wed Jan 30 14:36:17 2002] 23:46:35 --- names: list (clog pHa shapr xbill dennisb yusri jewel Igloo Heffalump smkl cuelebre jlb Logan) 23:54:48 --- join: discobob (discobob@slc98.modem.xmission.com) joined #haskell 23:59:59 --- log: ended haskell/02.01.31