00:00:00 --- log: started haskell/02.03.19 00:48:54 --- join: shapr (~user@195.156.199.166) joined #haskell 00:49:04 g'morning oh functional ones. 00:49:11 evening here :P 00:49:16 but, I'm not very functional ATM :( 00:49:25 using vb? or java? 00:49:40 C 00:49:51 --- join: dennis (~dennis@as2-4-3.an.g.bonet.se) joined #haskell 00:50:03 --- nick: dennis -> dennisb 00:51:55 oh 00:52:37 * Heffalump pokes his ghc with xlib and opengl build again, having (possibly) fixed green-card this time 00:53:40 yay!!!! 00:53:43 * shapr bounces furiously 00:59:41 Heffalump: you got debs up? even just raw binaries? :) 01:00:12 it hasn't finished building yet, let's see what happens 01:00:26 er, when did it start building? 01:00:40 about 20 minutes ago, so don't hold your breath 01:00:46 it's the third attempt 01:00:46 how long does it usually take? 01:00:53 an hour or two IIRC 01:01:00 wow, longer than the kernel 01:01:49 I read yesterday that E.Meijer(sp?) is working on getting ghc to compile to jvm bytecode 01:01:53 that could make my life happy 01:02:07 errm, where'd you read that? 01:02:16 I'd be incredibly surprised, given that he works for Microsoft now 01:02:34 I think David Wakeling did some stuff on that a while back, though 01:02:35 I found it in microsoft.com/~emeijer/ somewhere 01:02:54 I saved the PDF at home yesterday, don't remember where I got it though 01:03:04 and I can't access my home box from the outside :-/ 01:03:21 funny: purl.org/wiki/python/CeePlusPlus 01:05:57 wow, frank atanassow is working with erik meijer 01:06:10 and so is Ralph Hinze and Mark Shields 01:06:24 gee, the Haskell community is rather centralized 01:06:46 dunno about working with atm 01:06:51 http://www.meijcrosoft.com/research.html 01:07:20 Mark Shields was at OGI but is at MSR Cambridge now 01:07:34 I can't get to meijcrosoft.com 01:07:37 no idea why 01:07:43 weird 01:08:22 ah, so you know all the Haskell gossip, eh? :) 01:08:53 well, I've met all of the above people except Frank Atanassow :-) 01:09:33 wow, nifty 01:09:44 so, your simon pj number is 1 ? 01:15:17 is that defined by having met, or co-publications? 01:15:47 hmm, good point 01:16:00 if co-publications, what's your simonpj number? 01:16:44 * Heffalump --> check if Oege and Simon PJ have co-authored anything 01:17:01 heh 01:17:25 2 01:17:39 cool! 01:17:46 that's extremely spiffy 01:18:15 yeah, well Igloo will almost certainly have a simonpj number of 1 in a year or so 01:19:14 that's high class :) 01:19:28 * Heffalump is prouder of his Erdos number (3), anyway :-) 01:19:29 I'd like to have a simonpj number < 10 01:31:56 --- nick: juhp -> juhp_ 01:33:19 [22] Erik Meijer and Sigbjorn Finne. Lambada, Haskell as a better Java. In these proceedings, 2000. 01:36:59 that's not compiling Haskell to Java bytecode, it's interfacing Haskell with Java using JNI, isn't it? 01:37:11 I dunno, I just found the PDF 01:37:17 --- quit: BrutusII ("my wookie!?") 01:37:30 in the other PDF I found, it's described as compiling to Java bytecode 01:38:12 oh, it is JNI 01:41:53 I wonder if a fully featured ghc5 deb would be interesting to more people than those of us on this channel 01:42:09 as in, +OpenGL +gtk+hs +popen etc 01:49:32 bah. 01:49:39 something did a make clean in green-card on me 01:50:59 suckage 01:52:04 * Heffalump will poke it later, got to do other stuff noe 01:52:08 s/noe/now/ 01:55:32 thanks for working on it =) 02:34:56 --- join: fullets (huw@port-62-4.jet.net.nz) joined #haskell 02:35:02 hi fullets 02:35:08 is there any way to compile ghc without happy? 02:35:18 i can't compile happy without ghc :-( 02:35:23 I dunno, but Heffalump might if he's around. 02:36:07 it's probably irrelevant, i've just about pulled the binary distribution but that might not work - for a different libc version 02:36:30 which linux distro? 02:36:54 built from scratch (the world at large groans) 02:36:59 oh :) 02:37:22 * Heffalump tries to remember 02:37:54 I think the version of ghc that has the hc boot files also has had happy run on the parser specifications 02:38:04 so if you get that you might be able to get a build from scratch 02:38:26 i've got the ghc source and the hc dist, but i can't combine them into any useful form of build tree 02:38:51 you just untar them both into the same directory, don't you? 02:39:18 that's what i did - configure dies, complaining about not being able to find happy - or do I not run configure 02:39:20 ? 02:39:32 you did do configure --enable-hc-boot ? 02:40:01 no, i did configure --i-can't-read-cause-i'm-real-stoopid 02:40:07 * fullets promises to rtfm next time 02:40:16 :-) 02:40:21 oh, I thought that was a real option for a second ;) 02:40:35 did the apostrephies give it away? 02:40:59 yup :) 02:41:05 :P 02:41:23 what libc are you building with, anyway 02:41:23 ? 02:41:23 thanks people 02:41:37 i've got 2.2.4, the bins i've got are for 2.1 02:43:44 btw, has anyone played around with the HOpenGL stuff? 02:43:50 lol 02:43:55 heh 02:43:56 I wish 02:44:04 I'm too little to build GHC by myself 02:44:10 I've been trying to get it to build on Debian for a bit 02:44:10 ? 02:44:17 so I've been trying to prod Heffalump into building HOpenGL debs for me 02:44:18 but I keep getting stuff wrong 02:44:25 :) 02:44:33 I *really* much much want to use HOpenGL 02:44:38 * shapr bounces 02:45:12 combining it with the gkt+hs and gtkglarea stuff would rock 02:45:23 i saw some code. i didn't understand it as such (due to my ~3wks Haskell & OGL exp) but it looked cool 02:45:41 do you have other FP experience? 02:45:57 i once read the word 'curry' in a programming context 02:46:00 that's it 02:46:29 oh 02:46:30 and that was a perl exegesis anyway *ducks* 02:46:51 heh 02:47:06 having lots of fun so far though 02:47:07 well, I'm a long time Pythonista, so I understand the change in mindset 02:47:19 Haskell is very spiffy 02:47:47 i'm not exactly selling all my c books or anything, i'm doing a compsci paper @ uni in comparitive programming languages. 02:47:55 we do haskell, scheme, & smalltalk 02:47:55 sounds like fun 02:48:02 oh, you'll enjoy that 02:48:22 as far as i can tell, it's designed to show us the fun languages well never use once we reach the workforce 02:48:41 to drive us insane quickly so there's room for the next wave of grads to find employment 02:48:49 you could be right 02:49:05 on the other hand, both python and perl started as fun useless languages 02:50:19 the more things change... *ducks again* 02:53:08 anyway, thanks again 02:53:09 --- part: fullets left #haskell 02:53:14 aww 03:31:31 --- quit: clausen ("send all money to /dev/clausen") 03:31:58 --- join: Yurik (~yrashk@gw.telcos.net.ua) joined #haskell 03:34:14 hi Yurik, what's up? 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