8 June 2004 Rob and Doug, Much thanks to both of you for the information. In the following text (more verbose than required) I will describe what I know about the trip as related to Indians Road. Over the past Memorial Day weekend my wife and I drove down to Arroyo Seco from Berkeley, our plan being to see if we could ride our bikes from the Arroyo Seco Campground to the Escondido Campground on Indians Road. If this was possible, it would mean that a group of 4 could drive (in one car) to Arroyo Seco, lock up a bike, drive to Escondido, go down the river, and then have someone ride the bike back to retrieve the car. Anyway, we were turned away at the Arroyo Seco kiosk since the park was too full. Having come so far we decided to drive to Escondido and try the ride in reverse. However, we were stopped by the military police and told access was not allowed since 9/11. Note that our entry was denied before we even had a chance to show our drivers license, registration and proof of insurance (all required by the military police). Driving back north on 101, having given up all hope, we decided to try to go back to Arroyo Seco in hopes that they were now letting people in. The third time was the charm and around 3:15 pm I set off on my bike on Indians Road. My primary goal was to ride all the way to Escondido and in the process see if the road was passable (park rangers had told us it was blocked by a landslide). Smartly, my wife remained behind. I estimated the trip to be about 10 miles each way and guessed I would be back by 5 pm. After one downhill leading to a bridge the road went up for many unrelenting and exposed miles. I only kept going since I knew it would be all downhill on the way back. Despite the grade and heat the road was in good shape and easily navigated by bike. However, after ~ 8 or 9 miles I reached a saddle and hadn't yet come across the slide. I didn't want to continue since: I was already exhausted, I didn't have a watch, going downhill towards Escondido would mean uphill to get back to Arroyo Seco, and I already drank most of my only bottle of disgusting luke warm Gatorade. But I did continue, and shortly came to the slide that I easily carried my bike across. After the slide I kept going towards Escondido, going down two more gentle slopes before reaching a long, flat, and straight stretch of road. Riding across it I found an old sign lying on the side of the road indicating that I was in Hanging Valley. At the end of the long flat the road started to go down again; I conceded defeat and started back to Arroyo Seco. At 5:50 pm I found Emily in the day use parking lot that was due to close in 10 minutes. I jumped the river and then we headed home, stopping in San Jose for Vietnamese sandwiches. Based on the adventure above and additional research done during the following week I can make the following conclusions. a) Walking (or riding a bike) on Indians Road from Arroyo Seco to Escondido is possible and if done very early or late in the day would be quite pleasant as the road is generally wide (i.e. you don't get scratched raw by the vegetation) and well graded (i.e. not steep). However, no water is available at all and 99% of the road has no shade whatsoever. Note that after my bike ride I traced the route with TOPO and found that I was just a mile or two from Escondido; I am assuming that this un-traveled part of the road is in condition similar to the part I traversed. The following information is from TOPO: Distance from Arroyo Seco to Escondido via Indians Road, 13.3 miles Elevation at Arroyo Seco, 936 feet Elevation at Escondido, 2145 feet Highest point on Indians Road, 2889 feet Total Elevation Gain, 3427 feet Total Elevation Drop, 2218 feet b) Access to Escondido through Fort Hunter-Liggett (http://www.liggett.army.mil/) is still available despite our recent experience getting turned away. I have called the base and found that access is available 24 hours a day and if an area is closed, it will only be for a few hours to allow for training exercises. Before a trip, you can call the base and get road closure conditions up to a week in advance. We plan to do this in the future and record who and when we spoke with. If the military police try to turn us away at the gate again we will say we talked to XXX on XXX and he said XXX. If that doesn't work we will either ask to speak to a commanding officer or wait for training exercises to finish. Casey