From: Tim Hesketh <T.Hesketh at unsw.edu.au>
To: Bill Wilson <billw at cse.unsw.edu.au>
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:45:21 +0000 (14:45 EST)
Subject: Re: May I make our correspondence on BEMCom rorts available to School
 staff

Dear Bill

I have no objection to your making this text available. I think the issue is that the
BE MCom is NOT a combined degree - it is a complete BE and a complete MCom. We simply
agree to put some commerce stuff into the BE. If students are taking some commerce as
part of their degree, then this means that commerce courses are not normally to be
allowed for Gen Ed. This is why we need to discuss it with the Gen Ed Committee.

Kind regards
Tim

Bill Wilson wrote:

> Hi Tim,
>
> There is to be a meeting of our School Teaching Committee tomorrow
> to discuss, inter alia, a proposal for CSE to pull out of BE MCom
> until the rules are changed to prevent rorts (or until some other
> acceptable solution is found). Our correspondence (quoted below)
> seems relevant. Do you mind if I make the text of this available
> to members of the School as part of the background documents for
> the TC meeting.
>
> The URL of the TC agenda is
> http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~billw/tc/agenda01-09-14.html
> should you wish to get more details. The BE MCom item is
> the final one.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill Wilson
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> Thanks Bill. We'd need to run this past Michael Walpole from the Gen Ed
> Committee - they are tending to be a little more protective of the Gen Ed
> component, and may not like this suggestion for someone who is going on to
> "major" in some of the Gen Ed stuff. We can try though, if we cannot think
> of some other solution.
>
> Tim
>
> Bill Wilson wrote:
>
> > Hi Tim,
> >
> > The idea suggested by one of the other Schools was to consider the
> > Commerce courses taken in year 4 as satisfying the GenEd requirement,
> > to whatever extent possible. If it turns out to be possible to
> > replace all 12 UoC of GenEd with Commerce courses, then this
> > would leave one missing Professional Elective to worry about.
> > This might either be considered acceptable, or there might be
> > other non-generic solutions in particular versions of the B.E.
> >
> > Best,
> > Bill
> >
> > > Thank you Bill. I have been talking to Francis about this, and I think
> > > we need to talk over our Faculty strategy to prevent rorts, where a
> > > student just takes the commerce subjects and then leaves. But for the
> > > moment, the rules assume that students will be well-behaved!!
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > > Bill Wilson wrote:
> > >
> > > > As discussed on the phone just now, please allow Mandy Lim to
> > > > graduate. I have discussed the matter with Steve Matheson, and
> > > > am taking into account Tim Hesketh's directive on this matter.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > BillW
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> > > >
> > > > From: Mandy Huey Ling Lim <mhll01 at alumni.cse.unsw.edu.au>
> > > > To: chu at cse.unsw.edu.au, rita at cse.unsw.edu.au, k.keane at unsw.edu.au,
> > > >    billw at cse.unsw.edu.au
> > > > Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 20:41:10 +1000 (EST)
> > > > Message-Id: <200108181041.f7IAfAs21188 at thunderbird.comms.unsw.edu.au>
> > > > Cc: t.hesketh at unsw.edu.au, f.tinloi at unsw.edu.au
> > > >
> > > > Hi this is Mandy Huey Ling Lim, 2210910, writing again from NYC to
> > > > check up on what's happening with my graduation?
> > > >
> > > > Hopefully all the past information given and the new information
> > > > concerning Martin Wu who graduated last session under similar
> > > > circumstances mean that I have graduated. However NSS still states
> > > > Assessing Potential Graduand Status.
> > > >
> > > > Please, please, please, please sort this out for me, I'm in the
> > > > States on exchange and as I mentioned before it's imperative that I
> > > > graduate in absentia in October and I really, really, really want to
> > > > get this sorted out so I can concentrate on my studies here and not
> > > > have to rush to check my email every day.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > > Mandy
> > > >
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