Draft Minutes of Teaching Committee Meeting 2 June 2006
The meeting was opened at 2.05pm.
Present: billw (chair), Adam Brimo, Christopher Chua, Rupert Shuttleworth,
anymeyer, bgaeta, ckutay, compton, elgindyh, huig, kenr, mahbub, morri,
nadinem, odiessel, rkwok, salilk, sowmya, sridevan.
Apologies: bradh, jas, potter, richardb
Minutes of the meeting on 31 March 2006
had been previously circulated
electronically and corrections sought from attendees and incorporated.
- New course proposal:
COMP9336 (rtf) Mobile Data Networking - Mahbub Hassan
Approved. Proposal now goes to Faculty Undergraduate Education Committee.
- New course proposal:
COMP9337 (rtf) Wireless Security - Salil Kanhere
Approved subject to correction of COMP3335 to COMP4335 in two places
in section 1.6.
Proposal now goes to Faculty Undergraduate Education Committee.
- New Thesis courses for Computer Engineering:
Thesis B - Sri Parameswaran
Corrections to COMP4930 proposal:
Name becomes "Thesis Part A" at both 1.2 and 1.3.
Pre-requisite becomes just "120UoC passed" at 1.9 and in 1.10.
At 1.17, change assessment grades to be used from Full range of
grades (HD ... FL) to Satisfactory/Unsatisfactory.
Corrections to COMP4931 proposal:
Name becomes "Thesis Part B" at both 1.2 and 1.3.
Pre-requisite becomes COMP4930 at 1.9 and in 1.10.
There was extensive debate about this proposal, with the discontent
focussing on the change from 18 UoC to 12 UoC for Thesis Part A and
Thesis Part B combined. This, of course, had already been approved
as part of the revisions approved in 2005. However, we don't all
have to like it. It was pointed out that there would be problems having
examiners assessing 12 UoC theses for CE, (15 UoC theses for BI,) and
18 UoC theses for CS Honours and SE. It was suggested that SE and
CS could move to 12 UoC theses, as in other Engineering Schools (this
would not work for BI because of factors relating to the Life Science
co-supervisors). Alternatively, a back-door 18 UoC thesis could be
introduced, either optionally or compulsorily, by introducing a
Thesis Part C (6 UoC) for CE. This would address the Dean's desideratum
of all Engineering Courses being 6 UoC. It was noted that there is
already available a course code COMP3901 Special Project A (6 UoC)
that could be used to extend a thesis from 12 to 18 UoC if that was
only required occasionally.
It was not possible to proceed with introducing Thesis Part C at
the meeting, as a proposal to do so had not been available to the
School prior to the TC meeting.
The proposal to introduce COMP4930 and COMP4931 was passed by 7 votes
to 3 (with several abstentions).
It should be noted that the new CE degree is being brought in a year
at a time, and that the thesis courses, while we have been asked by the
Faculty to get them approved now, will not actually be used until 2009.
- New Project courses for Computer Engineering:
COMP4601 (rtf) - Sri Parameswaran
Approved on shows of hands (nem. con.) after a lengthy discussion.
It was noted that Computer
Engineering is being differentiated from CS and SE, and that
the introduction of these two design courses is another desideratum
coming from the Dean (design course in every year, with the first
and second year design courses in CE being ENGG1000 and COMP2911).
Following circulation of draft minutes, by e-mail to attendees, Hossam
Elgindy made the following request in relation to this part of
the minutes: "I would like that the point that I made (very lengthy)
that the topic of the design courses (specially the year 4
course) has a very narrow interest of its teacher and not
the degree graduates be mentioned in the minutes."
The proposer, Oliver Diessel, asked to summarise the response he had made
at the meeting, stated that "COMP4601 attempts to illuminate use of FPGAs
for prototyping, expose concepts of hardware/software partitioning, and provide
experience at implementing configurable logic and hybrid processor-logic
solutions for high performance/low-power problems. These foci were
arrived at following extensive discussion with students and staff and
are believed to balance the need to expose 4th year Computer Engineering
students to hardware design while meeting the requirements of the program."
- Should we introduce soft skills as a compulsory
part of our programs? - Brad Hall
Item deferred in Brad's absence and due to lack of time, though there
was incidental discussion of soft skills in the course of the
- Proposals from Student Representative Rupert Shuttleworth:
- Allow the stureps to read and post in every course forum (eg. the
COMP4001 forum complains that "only users granted special access" can
- Every course webpage link to the sturep website in some way
Agreed. Any publication by the Student Representatives about
their activity in trying to resolve problems with specific courses
is to be accessible only to CSE staff and students.
- Given that COMP3111 Software Engineering is now a "breadth elective" for
Computer Engineering and apparently no longer a core course, that the same
change be made to the Computer Science program. If necessary, perhaps
something like COMP3121 Algorithms could be offered as an alternative the
way it is in Computer Engineering? Speaking as a Computer Science student,
COMP3121 would seem like a more appropriate course than COMP3111.
Part of the content of COMP3111 is required for ACS accreditation.
Tim Lambert and Alan Blair have/will be asked to check on the details.
- Discussion of the conduct of courses in 06s1 - led by Student
A summary of problems reported to Student Representatives was
given. The Student Representatives have been asked to forward the
material that they have received to the relevant lecturers for
consideration by them. Note that this material is not regarded as
proven allegations, but as material for comment. Some of it may
already have been dealt with. A process, whereby such reports of
problems coming via the Student Representatives will be tracked
by the School Teaching Management Committee, was discussed.
The meeting was closed at 5.05pm
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